Dagwood Sandwiches & The Dishwasher: A Dialogue with Evan Welcher

Evan, first congratulations on the birth of your beautiful daughter.  What a special blessing! I’m happy for both you and your wife.  I can tell you are both dedicated parents and are going to work tirelessly in raising her.  Based on my short exposure to you through some of your writing, I can tell you are a deeply sincere, thoughtful person who reflects on life, both the triumphs and tragedies.  Like you, I have lost someone in death, my adopted son Isaac, due to tragic circumstances, Also, like you, I am in my second marriage though not due to death but it brought its own share of traumatic experiences.  So we share some things in common.

I read your article, Behold The Man, which was partially written in response to Doug Wilson’s blog post on the role of women in marriage and family life. Since both you and your wife Rachel have engaged this issue, I wanted to dialogue with your post and give you some of my own thoughts, both where I agree and points of divergence of thought as well.


I write this in the spirit of dialogue with someone who is on the same team.  We are both baptized Christians who believe in the orthodox tenets (Nicene Creed) of the Christian faith.  Christ has died.  Christ is risen.  Christ will come again.  Jesus is Lord and we are working for His will to be “done on earth as it is in heaven”.

Towards the beginning of your post you mention, “My father’s voice ever in my head warning against the horrors of cross threading” as you were working on the dishwasher. It seems apparent you were raised in a culture of masculinity where you were taught among many other things to be thrifty by trying to repair versus taking the easy route of throwing away and buying new.  I’m the same way (probably to a fault) and have had my own appliance battles (most recently with a dryer). You also noted that you learned about manhood as a boy while growing up in Black Hawk county,

When I was a kid growing up in Black Hawk County in the 80’s and 90’s. Men just were. They didn’t think about what it meant to be a man. They certainly didn’t need a panel discussion on Youtube to tell them.

Evan Welcher – Behold The Man

You go on to talk about the influence of a father on their child:

Old Dad as I am, I’ve been thinking, pondering, ruminating, as men do, on the truth that whatever my daughter Hildegaard ends up thinking a man is will be most influenced by the man typing this article up with his short cropped hands.

Evan Welcher – Behold The Man

I agree, a father will strongly influence a daughter’s view of what masculinity is and what kind of man she will be attracted to.  Using a personal anecdote from my own marriage, my Latina wife was strongly influenced by her father.  When my own masculine expressions intersect with her father’s (the positive masculine expressions), she will experience strong attraction towards me, yet for the areas where they don’t, it’s an occasion for growth on my part.

In addition to a child’s family, their local community (church, friends, social groups, etc.) strongly influences their view of masculinity.  A short-hand way of referring to this is the concept of “culture”.  Evan, your own cultural influences were that you grew up in a rural county (Black Hawk) in the Midwest that was almost 90% white.  All of those factors (growing up in the 80/90’s, in a Midwest white rural area) strongly affected the type of man you became and the type of masculinity that you express.


“Men just were. They didn’t think about what it meant to be a man.”

Evan Welcher – Behold The Man

While in your experience, “Men just were. They didn’t think about what it meant to be a man”, masculinity for the males in Black Hawk county did not develop in a vacuum.  To the degree that your various cultural intersections reflected God’s created order of what it meant to be a man, you “just were” a masculine man “without thinking about what it meant to be a man”.  The blessing of any culture, (whether it be, asian, black, hispanic or white) that reflects God’s created order is that you often just live out God’s created order without having to think about it.  You benefit from the cultural tide, and you can kind of just float down the river.  This begs the question though of what culture are you in because a white male growing up in Black Hawk County is going to have a different experience of masculinity than a Cuban male in Dade County, Florida.  What if a culture’s expression of masculinity isn’t healthy?  What if a culture’s expression of being a man was disordered?  What if that culture’s masculinity manifested itself either in timid weakness or abusive overpowering?  In that kind of culture, people would do well to reflect on what it means to be a man (and even perhaps go on YouTube to dialogue further).


As Christians we believe in the sin nature (darkening of the mind/intellect and weakening the will).  That means “out of the box” we are inclined to disordering our masculinity (among many other things) until we are regenerated by the Holy Spirit and we surrender ourselves to Christ’s Lordship.  That means unless we are living in a distinctly Christian culture, you can bet your bottom dollar that the majority culture’s view of masculinity is going to be disordered to a degree.  We must pursue sanctification: aligning our mind and actions according to the purposes for why God created us as either male or female.  Sanctification doesn’t “just happen” to us.  We are called to renew our minds.  This includes bringing our mind in conformity with the purposes for why God created us and what our function is.  We must be knowledgeable of what reflects God’s intent, design, purpose and function in any given situation and love others according to that end.  So yes that means we need to think about what it means to be a man or a woman. 

The human vocation (creation mandate) is to bring God’s wisdom and flourishing to the world.  The way God wants this world to flourish is by human beings taking responsibility by taking action to properly steward and develop themselves and others to pursue the fulfillment of their nature (as male or female, as husband or wife, as father or mother)  that the whole world may flourish.  We are called as Christians to proactively work to restore all life to its fullness and transform the fallen creation by working to bring it into conformity with His will and purpose within the normative order of creation.  We have to be intentional to renew our minds according to what is true and real.  That renewing comes from not only reflecting on Scripture but also on the created order and on science because after all God is the author and creator of all that exists. 

So as Christians, it is necessary that we use our reason to discover what constitutes the good human life and put that structure into our understanding, our desires and then into our actions.  God designed our human natures as males and females for a specific kind of fulfillment.  Sin twists and perverts that fulfillment.  As believers, we are called to untwist and rightly order our masculinity and our femininity.  As Dr. John Cuddeback said, “Goodness is succeeding in being what you are according to your nature.”


All this talk of men’s hair length and women making sandwiches and men not being interested in babies. It sure doesn’t sound like the pillar of truth I’ve dedicated my life to.

Evan Welcher – Behold The Man

This appears to be a strawman.  Making a caricature of a position (eg. Canon Press, et. al) by exaggerating, oversimplifying and removing all nuance and then tearing it down.  The Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 11 was the first man to start the discussion (on a large scale) in the New Testament church regarding male and female hair length “(if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him” and “if a woman has long hair, it is her glory”).  Exactly what this passage means is still debated with believers taking a diversity of positions on this topic.  That being said, what is so troubling with people who are wrestling with and trying to find the meaning behind the written Word of God?  If you disagree with them, then do so charitably and gently and write out an exegetical defense of your position but there is no need to insinuate condescension for someone that is wrestling with the words of the Apostle Paul that even Peter said “there are some things in them that are hard to understand” (2 Peter 3:15-16)


“I think God in His good wisdom knows men and women need one another, and it’s a need that goes deeper than roles, or biology, or mere form and function.” I think God in His good wisdom knows men and women need one another, and it’s a need that goes deeper than roles.

Evan Welcher – Behold The Man

When you say “it’s a need that goes deeper than roles”, I think the “need” is actually built upon the foundation of heterosexual roles . The word “role” has within its meaning, “the function that is assumed or a part played”.  For heterosexuals, we are attracted to the opposite sex precisely because they have things that our sex does not have.  Gender roles are deeper than the practical functions we do in keeping a household running each week.  They also include the functioning of our emotional relationship as well.  The deep soul communing that can exist between husband and wife exists because one is male and the other is female.  This presupposes there are real, universal masculine and feminine characteristics that imbibe males and females.  Otherwise, heterosexual males could have their desires fulfilled by other males and vice versa.   

We desire, want, and are attracted to the opposite sex because they have something that only they can fulfill.  Each sex plays “a role” in every aspect of a heterosexual relationship and plays a function of either male or female and to deny that is to deny the fundamental basis for why heterosexual relationships exist in the first place.  Does that mean that every last part of a male or female is thoroughly masculine or feminine?  Not at all but just like a male must learn how to dance and lead properly so to a woman must learn her part of the dance. It’s a lifelong process. We are continuing to learn how to be more masculine (if we are male) or feminine (if we are female).

There are certain things that a woman exemplifies (that a man can also do but not nearly as well) that he finds attractive because she exemplifies it in a way that blows the doors off of what any male can do.  A woman can nurture an infant in a way that a male cannot and that exemplification of nurturing in a female is attractive to a male.  This is not a stretch to say this, after all, women have functioning mammary glands and healthy men do not.  Females are uniquely designed to carry and nurture children. The functions of nurturing, which they exemplify, extends well beyond just nursing.  It’s built into the very structure of their brain and their emotional makeup.  Likewise, men are built to protect women and have musculature and a skeleton structure that is better equipped to do this than women.  Masculine men are the ones who get out of bed when things go bump in the night.


But a man cannot reduce a woman to dishwashing, or sandwich making, or hair.

Evan Welcher – Behold The Man

No one on the Canon Press side that I’m aware of (when properly read in its full context) is reducing women or men to the tasks they do.  Doug Wilson even stated, “The problem arises when we use them in a reductionistic way. The problem comes when you use someone while forgetting who and what they are.”


A man doesn’t need a woman for sandwiches, dishwashing, or baby holding.

Evan Welcher – Behold The Man

Does a married man need a woman (the wife) to carry a baby in utero to term?  Does a man need a woman (the mother) to produce colostrum and breast milk for a baby to thrive and flourish?  Does a man need a woman (the mother) to spend more than 50% of the “baby holding” time for that child to come out emotionally and physically healthy?  Absolutely he does if he wants that baby to flourish and have the baby’s needs met that only a mother can meet.  The whole reason we partner with someone of the opposite sex is because of the expectation that they are going to fulfill at least some gender role(s), otherwise the foundation of being heterosexual has vanished and we can no longer claim to be a heterosexual.  There is going to be disagreement about gender roles but we cannot deny they exist if we want to be a self-identifying heterosexual. 

Now does this mean that a man never carries the baby, that he never gives mom a break and bottle feed the baby?  Does this mean he never helps pitch in and do the dishes or cook meals?  No.  At some point each day, I help my wife by doing the dishes.  Lord willing, in a few months I’ll also be helping her by giving her a break by bottle feeding our baby (currently in utero) and rocking it to sleep. My helping my wife does not take away from her being in charge of and responsible for the nurturing of our household. Conversely, the man is to exemplify and be responsible for being the provider and protector. Does that mean that the wife cannot also do a side-hustle to help contribute financially to the household or that she cannot learn how to defend herself? Not at all. The larger point is that the husband and the wife have their respective domains based on their design. Women can do some things better than men precisely because of how they were designed and men can do certain things better than women because of their unique design. Obviously there are going to be multiple household responsibilities that reside in a “gray area” where either the wife or the husband can attend to them. Smart couples work efficiently by employing a division of labor so as to free up time for the two of them to enjoy each other’s company.


This brings us to the point of sandwiches.  Both you and your wife took umbrage with Doug Wilson’s remark on women and sandwiches.  I have a few thoughts for your consideration.  I know you appreciate literature and a diversity of literary genres.  Part of being able to properly interpret any given work of literature or any written work is to know the literary genre that it was written in, as well as being aware of the various literary and rhetorical devices that were used.

Doug Wilson uses a lot of rhetorical and literary devices in his writing.  One such literary device, the synecdoche, was used by Doug Wilson when he made a reference to women making sandwiches.  In summary, a synecdoche, is a word or phrase with a literal meaning that refers to a part of something that is used figuratively to represent the entirety of that thing. 

Doug Wilson was using “sandwich making” as a synchoche for sex roles but his comments can’t be taken in a literal wooden fashion when he clearly didn’t mean it that way.  See here: “Godly women are designed to make the sandwiches. This is not an absolute law, like the one about making babies, and there are times when a man fends for himself and makes quite a decent sandwich.”  Doug Wilson, et. al. have no compunction about men at times cook for their families.  Francis Foucachon, a longtime elder at Christ Church is a classically trained French chef from Lyon, France.  I can confidently say that he can cook better than any person, male or female reading this article.  You can find his excellent book on food and cooking here:  He frequently cooked for his family when his children were all still living at home.  Francis Foucachon is a very masculine man and his wife was an excellent homemaker for their household.  They both were excellent examples of masculinity and femininity in a marriage.  No one would be so foolish to say that either one was failing in their role because Francis Foucachon did some of the cooking.

Speaking of synecdoche, the Apostle Paul used the same rhetorical device in his first letter to Timothy when he said that “women will be saved by childbearing.”  Both Denny Burk and Tom Schreiner (SBTS theology professors) agree and elucidated this in starker terms than even Doug Wilson. See Dr. Tom Schreiner below:

Women must adhere to their divinely ordained role (“she will be saved through the bearing of children,” 1 Tim 2:15) to be saved.  This is an example of synecdoche, in that bearing children is representative of how women fulfill the role intended for them by God. To avoid misunderstanding, Paul remarks that women must persevere in faith and love and other godly virtues to be saved. Salvation is not merited by having children, nor is Paul suggesting that all women must have children (cf. 1 Corinthians 7)! What Paul is saying is that women’s bearing of children and living in their ordained role is one example of living out the godly life that is necessary to obtain eschatological salvation.

Paul, Apostle of God’s Glory in Christ: A Pauline Theology, page 227

Why does Paul say a woman will be saved through childbirth? Probably because the bearing of children marks off the role of women in distinction from the role of men. When we consider what men and women can do in this world, the one thing men can never do is bear children. This task is specifically and exclusively consigned to women.  Paul thus employs the part for the whole here. A woman will be saved by living out her Christian life as a woman, fulfilling her specific and God-ordained calling.

Paul, Apostle of God’s Glory in Christ: A Pauline Theology, page 286

Denny Burk makes the same case as Dr. Schreiner:

So, in both 1 Timothy 2 and Titus 2, Paul declares that wives have a God-ordained role to play in caring for children and the home. This is not claiming that a woman must have children in order to be saved. It is not even teaching that a woman must be married to be saved. But for those women who are married, God assigns a special responsibility to care for the home.

A wife’s fulfillment of this role will be one of the evidences of perseverance in the faith. Salvation is future in this verse: “She will be saved.” Thus it is not entry into salvation that is in view but the future consummation of salvation. Women who embrace their God-ordained role while continuing in the Christian virtues of “faith and love and holiness, with self-control” will find themselves saved on the last day.

Denny Burk – https://www.crossway.org/articles/what-does-it-mean-that-women-will-be-saved-through-childbearing-1-timothy-2/

As believers, who have had our hearts regenerated and received the Gospel, we manifest our new nature and our new allegiance to Jesus through our actions. Scripture makes it clear that living out our masculinity and our femininity is an essential part of what it means to live out His Kingdom here on earth.


Someday that wife of yours is going to die, and you’ll wish she had spent more time in your arms than in your kitchen.

Evan Welcher – Behold The Man

Quality time and the flourishing of the marriage is what we are all shooting for. This really is the whole point that Doug Wilson, et. al. is making but I want to respectfully submit that it appears you are missing the forest for the trees on this point. If a man and woman function the way they were designed, they will live in greater harmony and have a greater quantity and quality of time with each other. Quality time with one’s family is an important reason why many women choose to forego working a full-time job outside the home. Many women have decided to spend the 50 hours a week of time and energy that could otherwise be going to a career (co-workers and customers) and to spend it on their own children and husband. My own mom, who has two college degrees, chose to stay at home with my sister and me. She gave us a gift unparalleled and incomparable to anything else she could have given us: her time. My mother had the energy to make our home a delightful and enjoyable place precisely because she chose to not work in an outside career. My parents are celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary this year. They both benefited from my mom choosing to stay at home because my mom had more time to spend with my dad and work on the marriage.

Am I calling women who work outside the home sinners? No. Are there many, many women who by necessity have to work and by doing so they are helping their family flourish more by ensuring basic needs are taken care of? Absolutely. Is that what we want to settle for though? Definitely not. If a woman chooses to work a full-time career along with rearing children, she will have little time and energy left for her husband in comparison to a woman who does not have to work. Time and energy are limited resources and for everything we say “YES” to we are saying “NO” to something else. So let what we say “YES” and “NO” to be for the flourishing of our marriages and our families.

Soli Deo Gloria

JD Hall and His Continual Slanderous Attack on Karen Swallow Prior

Once again, Karen Swallow Prior has had a volley of slanderous accusations made against her by JD Hall – Is Holiness A Thing: Slumming Culture With Karen Swallow Prior.  Unfortunately JD Hall continues to recycle old statements even when they have been publicly proven wrong (Pulpit & Pen’s Accusations Against Karen Prior see also www.clbolt.com).  As with all of the other JD Hall articles on Karen Prior, he has taken snippets from Karen Prior out of context to advance an agenda that focuses on developing a negative narrative of the SBC, while sacrificing basic rules of journalistic integrity. 

As Christians we are called to be shining examples of truth sayers.  That means not only stating the Gospel correctly or Scripture correctly but it means representing other people correctly too.  If you represent someone either knowingly or through gross negligence, in a way that is not truthful to what they believe or said, that is displeasing to the LORD.  As I stated in my last article, authorial intent is the capstone and starting point from which all other hermeneutical and literary interpretation rules flow.  It is wrong, for instance, to co-opt St. Paul’s words by taking them out of context or by twisting them to support one’s own agenda.  In the same way, as Christians who believe in objective truth, we are called to accurately represent anyone that we reference or quote.  If we fail to truthfully represent a given author or speaker’s stated viewpoint, by willful ignorance or other motives then we are not engaged in truth telling.  Not only this but by our actions we have, at least temporarily, acted within the worldview that we oppose, namely the worldview that believes truth is relative.  As Christians and as responsible journalists, we must always portray any author or speaker’s viewpoint in such a way that they would whole-heartily agree with how their viewpoint was portrayed.

I have responded to several of JD’s latest accusations against Karen below:

”But in a day when evangelical professors speak at LGBT fundraisers and galavant on the gay red carpet, holiness might be an endangered spiritual species.”

JD Hall failed to mention that Karen Swallow Prior was at a film festival to discuss a video encouraging people with Same-Sex Attraction to be celibate.  JD Hall didn’t mention these things because they didn’t fit with his agenda to take Karen Prior down. As I stated in my first blog article, Karen Prior participated as a panelist to discuss “Desire of the Everlasting Hills”, a movie that was shown at the film festival. Was this a gay-sex affirming movie? On the contrary it was produced by Courage International, which has as its goal to help, encourage and assist men and women to honor their bodies and God by not engaging in homosexual sexual activity. Desire of the Everlasting Hills “tells the stories of three people with same-sex attraction who chose a life of chastity”.  Again Pulpit and Pen lead us in a completely different direction of what was actually and factually true.  In addition, Karen Prior stated, “I was invited to the event specifically to represent the ‘non-affirming’ view, which I did.  [In response to a question posed to her] ‘Did you get a chance to use the divinely inspired biblical terminology and the hope of the gospel?’ [Karen response], ‘That’s the goal I went with and I pray God used my witness. The event also included folks who have renounced their past homosexual behavior and it was a blessing to support and encourage them.’”

JD Hall referred to Karen Prior as an “evangelical feminist”. 

This is completely untrue.  Karen Prior completely affirms the 2000 Baptist Faith and Message, “I’m not an egalitarian, I hold to the Baptist Faith and Message 2000  The 2000 Baptist Faith and Message states, “A husband is to love his wife as Christ loved the church. He has the God-given responsibility to provide for, to protect, and to lead his family. A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ.

“Prior was promoting a former student (who seems to be her stylish gay bestie, who mutually speak glowingly of one another – repetitively, like over and over and over again to the point it’s beginning to get weird) and his recent article in Time Magazine. Prior’s former student and homosexual sidekick, Brandon Ambrosino”

I don’t even know where to begin here.  This reads like a grocery store tabloid in comparison to the dignity that the Apostle Paul called an elder to have.  First, while Karen Prior retains a friendship with Brandon, to state that she speaks “glowingly…repetitively…to the point its beginning to get weird” is mocking, inaccurate and wildly accusatory in a tabloid fashion and to be honest very offensive.

“After seeing Prior tweet to Ambrosino in what I can best describe as an obviously platonic version of cyber-footsie today, I noticed the reference to his article and checked it out for myself.Ambrosino, the homosexual author, used his ink in Time Magazine to address the supposed “fragile sensibilities” of a Duke University freshman for not reading a graphic novel, Fun Home (authored by the same gal who wrote the ground breaking Lesbian comic, Dykes to Watch Out For), that takes the reader through the slum of American culture including topics related to a pro-gay portrayal sexual orientation, fluid gender roles and so forth. The freshman rejected the book on grounds that it violated the Bible and Jesus’ commands that we not ‘expose ourselves to anything pornographic’ and that we should ‘flee from sexual immorality’. 

“Prior is so eager to read [Fun Home] and encourage Christians [to] take part in [it], This woman delights in filth, and enjoys making Christians feel uncomfortable in her embrace of it.”

The facts as you will see below were twisted wildly to fit JD’s agenda:

1.  Karen Prior tweeted a link to the Duke University freshman’s article here 11:04 AM – 27 Aug 2015  @LoveLifeLitGod Words vs Images: I’m a Duke freshman. Here’s why I refused to read ‘Fun Home.’ http://wpo.st/w8-X0: (Twitter link: https://twitter.com/LoveLifeLitGod/status/636932338295918592)

2.  She expressed positive sentiment regarding the Duke freshman’s article twice:

@LoveLifeLitGod Aug 27 I will be using your excellent essay in my grad course in Christian Poetics as we consider words vs images, @Bgras3 https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/08/25/im-a-duke-freshman-heres-why-i-refused-to-read-fun-home/?postshare=831440691345257 …

I read the book. And I ultimately agree with the Duke student: Fun Home contains one page of drawings that are sexually explicit, and for that reason, I can’t endorse it.”  – http://www.christianitytoday.com/women/2015/september/christians-cant-ignore-fun-home.html

3.  She tweated links to articles saying positive things about the Duke University freshman’s article on Fun Home twice:

@LoveLifeLitGod Sep 4  Duke students, trigger warnings and cultural engagement | Think Christian / Keen analysis by @BransonParler http://thinkchristian.reframemedia.com/duke-students-trigger-warnings-and-cultural-engagement?utm_campaign=TC_RSS_Campaign&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=21826959&_hsenc=p2ANqtz–lWR0cSLrhBo4FTCRYgt7Pyj5-dpd8pfRyEpMP7ArZxaEC5PRw0fb-oggq2nDjtjGSX3ZtCiC2Z5g-BEgWXVyPf2DU2g&_hsmi=21826959 …

4.  In the midst of the whole “Fun Home” discussion Karen Prior tweets a link to a Gospel Coalition article that speaks to the discussion.  The Gospel Coalition is hardly a bastion of liberalism.

@LoveLifeLitGod Aug 29  Yes, this: http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/amy-winehouse-and-how-to-watch-movies-as-a-christian …

5.  Karen Prior sees the book, Fun Home, as being more of a message about the damaging impact of sexual deviancy versus promoting sexual deviancy: @LoveLifeLitGod Sep 2  So I’m reading Fun Home. Quite poignant. Notable that the news coverage I’ve seen mentions the dad was gay but not that he was a pedophile.”  She also stated in her CT article about the Fun Home, book “Indeed, not only her father but all the adults around are awash in sexual sin.”  Karen talks about how the book discusses “broken sexuality and gender roles is astonishingly honest, reeking of truth to the human experience [damaging effects of sinful behavior] and the order of reality as God has designed it. “

6.  Based on what I have shown already, Karen Prior’s tweet of Brandon Ambrosino’s article was obviously not a 100% endorsement.  Instead Karen Prior was trying to create dialogue and conversation around some important questions.  Brandon Ambrosino asked some good questions and brought up some good points.  We need to be mature adults and realize that we can have a polite discussion with people that we might disagree with seriously on certain topics but on others we might have agreement on. 

7.  Karen Prior wants to honor Christ in her reading of literature, “We must not allow our exposure to sexual sin (whether through art or in real life) to turn into participation in it. As Christians, where do we draw the lines? And how do we honor Christ and one another—rather than shaming one another—as our conscience prompts us to either engage with or refrain from such challenging material?”

I’m growing weary of hearing JD Hall say that Karen Swallow Prior is gay-affirming.  To the contrary, she took part in a video production calling those who practice the same-sex lifestyle to repentance (including chastity) and faith in Jesus Christ – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JibT0w3Hy3c

Finally, I would like to challenge anyone that reads Pulpit & Pen to meditate on the Scriptures below and then consider if these attitudes that God admonishes us to have, are consistently manifested at Pulpit & Pen.

Philippians 4:5 – “Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand”

I Peter 3:15 – “But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect.”

Titus 1:7-8 – “For an overseer, as God’s steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined.”

Colossians 3:12 – “Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience.”

II Timothy 2:23-25 – “Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth.”

Ephesians 4:1-3 – “I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.”

Authorial Intent and Journalistic Integrity

Orthodox Christian theologians, who believe in objective truth, speak frequently about the importance of authorial intent when interpreting Scripture. Authorial intent is the capstone and starting point from which all other hermeneutical and literary interpretation rules flow.  It is wrong, for instance, to co-opt St. Paul’s words by taking them out of context or by twisting them to support one’s own agenda.  In the same way, as Christians who believe in objective truth, we are called to accurately represent anyone that we reference or quote.  If we fail to truthfully represent a given author or speaker’s stated viewpoint, by willful ignorance or other motives then we are not engaged in truth telling.  Not only this but by our actions we have, at least temporarily, acted within the worldview that we oppose, namely the worldview that believes truth is relative.  As Christians and as responsible journalists, we must always portray any author or speaker’s viewpoint in such a way that they would whole-heartily agree with how their viewpoint was portrayed.

JD Hall, in a recent Pulpit and Pen article (http://pulpitandpen.org/2015/07/30/christian-group-puts-bounty-on-lions-until-planned-parenthood-defunded/) wrote an article (in the genre of satire) entitled “Christian Group Puts Bounty on Lions Until Planned Parenthood Defunded”. In that article, he makes a reference to Dr. Karen Prior,

Karen Swallow Prior, research fellow for the Southern Baptist Convention’s ERLC, wrote an article published in the Washington Post, comparing the death of Cecil the Lion to infants aborted by Planned Parenthood. Clearly, there are some similarities and juxtaposed ethical presuppositions as well.

Based on the context of the paragraph, the entirety of the article and along with his other writings, JD seems to be asserting that Dr. Prior was comparing the atrocity (“comparing” defined as “to appear in a similar standing”) of Cecil’s death to the atrocity of aborted infant’s deaths.  If by comparing JD meant “to examine (two or more objects, ideas, people, etc.) in order to note similarities and differences” he would have been accurate.  I believe though, based on his final sentence, “Clearly, there are some similarities and juxtaposed ethical presuppositions as well”, he meant the former definition of comparing, “to appear in a similar standing”. 

As a quick side note: If I were to find out that I was wrong in my interpretation of JD Hall’s article, I will remove what I have written above.

If one carefully reads Karen’s article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/07/30/is-cecil-the-lion-more-devastating-than-the-planned-parenthood-videos/?postshare=6881438278772173) as well as her Twitter feed, we find that JD’s assertion about Dr. Prior’s article, is in fact not accurate.  Dr. Prior’s article is about “knowledge as a moral responsibility” not on the moral equivalence of killing human fetuses and lions.  Karen uses two case studies (1. Planned Parenthood’s selling of human fetal parts & 2. the poaching of Cecil the Lion) as an object lesson for her short treatise on ethics where she discusses moral culpability and ignorance:

While elective abortion and trophy hunting are different issues surrounded by different ethical and political questions, both news stories offer — regardless of one’s views on either issue — an opportunity to consider the moral responsibility that comes with knowledge — and the moral responsibility that comes with willful ignorance.

Dr. Prior was more than clear in her statement above that the controversies surrounding Planned Parenthood and Cecil the Lion are ultimately “different issues surrounded by different ethical questions”. To drive this point home even more Dr. Prior posts a link on Twitter to an article that states, “This is not to say the two issues [Planned Parenthood and Cecil the Lion] are morally equivalent. They aren’t.”

The overall point by Dr. Prior and by those she has linked to is that Christians can wisely take the opportunity of moral outrage over Cecil the Lion and say (as one article did that she tweeted), “One act is evil. How much more the other?”

Pulpit and Pen’s Accusations Against Karen Prior

More than once, I’ve been at the brunt end of false accusations. I have a passion to defend people that are being accused falsely. In this case, I am passionate about defending Karen Prior from accusations leveled at her by Pulpit and Pen. JD Hall (a contributing author for Pulpit and Pen) has spent a great deal of energy this week (in 3 different posts), attempting to convince people that Karen Prior affirms the gay sexual lifestyle. I have responded to several of JD”s statements and propositions below:

1.  JD Hall, “Swallow Prior writes for Jim Wallis’ Sojourner’s Magazine – the quintessential faith-based socially progressive organization in the country.”

I’m not sure where in Scripture Jesus, Paul or any of the other Apostles state that part of Christian orthodoxy is supporting the existence and ownership of nuclear weapons, much less to think of Christians that oppose nuclear weapons should be looked at with suspicion.

2.  JD Hall, “Swallow Prior, who chose to not take a side on the gay marriage issue in an article by New York Magazine”

This is misleading language.  Kevin Roose wrote the article not Karen Prior.  I know for a fact that Karen Prior said much more to Kevin Roose but it was not printed. Only a handful of excerpts from what she said was actually used (about 5 times to be more exact).  I think we all know what can be a 30-60 minute interview with a journalist can result in literally a few statements that are quoted and even those are probably out of context.

Karen Prior has repeatedly, in writing (eg. Christianity Today) shown that she opposed gay marriage.  Here is one example that came right after the Supreme Court ruling, “From this day forward, we must forfeit our tendency to address cultural issues in piecemeal fashion. If we believe in a natural law that reflects the order of creation as ordained by the Creator, then we must steward creation as a whole, where one part touches the rest. If we want to support marriage, we cannot wink at divorce and adultery.”

3.  JD Hall, “[Karen Prior] did a glowing book review for Loving My LGBT Neighbor for Christianity Today that says, ‘The LGBT movement is much like the Christian community in that it draws from diverse backgrounds and moral beliefs.’

Jim Daly from Focus on The Family wrote the foreward to this book and its published by Moody Press.  Both are not known for being bastions of liberalism. That should at least make the reader take pause regarding Pulpit and Pen’s representation of the book.  Let’s look at that the sentence that Pulpit and Pen quoted from Christianity Today in its exact form and break it down:

“The first step toward understanding and friendship is getting beyond stereotypes. The LGBT movement, Stanton points out, is much like the Christian community in that it draws from diverse backgrounds and moral beliefs.”

So Stanton is saying that when Christians are dialoguing with members of the LGBT community, they need to take a step back and realize they may be working from false stereotypes.  As Christians we are supposed to operate in what is true.  What is true also includes, what other people actually do or do not believe, what they did and did not say and what they did and did not do.  Then Stanton is essentially saying that just as those who claim to be Christian come from a diversity of backgrounds and also have a diversity of beliefs in their moral theology, the gay community too comes from a diversity of backgrounds and they certainly do not all have the same beliefs in ethics or morals.  This is a sociological and historical fact  There is nothing to debate here and nothing unbiblical has been said.

Additionally, Stanton greatly qualified his statement “The LGBT movement is much like the Christian community” by using the qualifying phrase “in that”.  People need to read very carefully and make read with the goal of understanding the authorial intent.

4. JD Hall, “In the article, Swallow Prior lauds the author for arguing for ‘nuanced positions on LGBT questions’ and a ‘sympathetic portrayal of same-sex attraction.'”

I’m not sure what Pen and Pulpit find disturbing about someone having a “nuanced position on LGBT questions” or a “sympathetic portrayal of same-sex attraction.”  Nick Roen, a celibate male with same-sex attraction has written multiple “sympathetic portrayals of same-sex attraction”, including one posted on John Piper’s ministry website Desiring God – http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/same-sex-attraction-and-the-wait-for-change.  Let’s not forget Justin Taylor and the good folks at the Gospel Coalition – http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2010/12/14/christians-struggling-with-same-sex-desires/  Even David Powlison has a “sympathetic view” – http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/03/12/dialogue-with-david-powlison-about-hill/

5. Pulpit and Pen apparently are very concerned about this quote from Karen Prior, “For example, Stanton’s call to accommodate transgender persons in their use of public restrooms is as commonsensical as it is refreshing.”  Their response to this quote is here: “Can you imagine that? Can you imagine a Southern Baptist entity’s research fellow advocating for the accommodation of their restroom preferences? It’s happening, folks. And Russell Moore isn’t caught off guard by that. He revels in it. The former Democratic staffer is continuing his Democratic worldview from the head of the SBC’s ERLC.”

First, I would like Pulpit and Pen to read the entire section from Glenn Stanton’s book that covers transgendered persons and restrooms and then tell me biblically what is wrong with his position on restrooms.  For those who want an idea of what his position is like read this – http://glenntstanton.com/2013/02/28/why-the-need-for-gender-neutral-bathrooms/.  It’s not what you think it is and it certainly is very different from what Pulpit and Pen is making us all think it is (i.e. “advocate for preference-oriented bathrooms “).

Second, Pulpit and Pen states, “The former Democratic staffer is continuing his Democratic worldview from the head of the SBC’s ERLC.”  Really?  You are accusing Russell Moore of having the same worldview as a 21st century Democrat?  That’s preposterous, factually dismissible and journalistically irresponsible.

6. JD Hall, “As he [Brandon Ambrosino] came out,’ he lists Karen Swallow Prior (a professor at Liberty) as one who was sympathetic and supportive of his decision.”

This is factually untrue.  According to Karen Prior, she “undoubtedly and repeatedly in love” told Ambrosino that homosexuality is a sin.  Karen also stated that “the article at The Atlantic by Brandon was about how he was received–in love. It is not the whole story, but part of the story. I believe Brandon was affirmed as a person, not in his lifestyle.”

7. JD Hall, “She [Karen Hall] attended and spoke at a homosexual-“Christian” event that raised funds for their cause”

The facts: Karen Prior participate as a panelist to discuss “Desire of the Everlasting Hills”, a movie that was shown at the film festival. Was this a gay-sex affirming movie? On the contrary it was produced by Courage International, a Roman Catholic apostolate which has as its goal to help, encourage and assist men and women to honor their bodies and God by not engaging in homosexual sexual activity. Desire of the Everlasting Hills “tells the stories of three people with same-sex attraction who chose a life of chastity”.  Again Pulpit and Pen lead us in a completely different direction of what was actually and factually true.

Let me add further proof that Pulpit and Pen are grossly wrong in the above accusation, Karen Prior, “I was invited to the event specifically to represent the ‘non-affirming’ view, which I did.  [In response to a question posed to her] ‘Did you get a chance to use the divinely inspired biblical terminology and the hope of the gospel?’ [Karen response], ‘That’s the goal I went with and I pray God used my witness. The event also included folks who have renounced their past homosexual behavior and it was a blessing to support and encourage them.'”

8. Pulpit and Pen horribly misrepresent Karen Prior’s Twitter conversation related to a “third way” of engaging homosexuality when they said, “Sometimes it’s given to “Third Way” proponents who want to be affirming but still give lip service for the sinfulness of homosexuality. You know, the same “Third Way” that Swallow does not reject”

The phrase “third way” can mean a lot of things in this discussion.  That phrase has been used positively by Justin Taylor and David Powlison (http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/03/12/dialogue-with-david-powlison-about-hill/) over at The Gospel Coalition (hardly a monolithic enterprise of liberals) as they discussed Wesley Hill’s contribution to the Christian community about the idea of Christian celibacy for those with same-sex attraction.  I quote David Powlison,

“Advocacy of the Christian sexual ethic can lapse into the polarizing stance that characterizes most politics: are you for or against homosexuals? Isn’t there a third alternative? Redemptive love walks a third way that politics rarely understands and factionalism never understands.

On the other side, tenderness towards strugglers can lapse into sentimentality, muting the call to transformation into the image of Jesus Christ – Jesus Christ, this single, celibate man whose suffering (including his experience of utterly forsaken loneliness) saved, saves, and will save our lives.

Can we be tenderly fierce and fiercely tender? Can we maintain simultaneously awareness of many complementary truths: sin, suffering, the diverse forms that Jesus’ grace takes, the diverse forms by which true change registers, unto the glory of God?”

9.  Pulpit and Pen posted a photo of a “Celtic Christian Worship” bulletin that Karen Prior participated in as if somehow that was akin to quasi-heterodox worship.  I challenge the author’s at Pulpit and Pen to show me how the specific service(s) that Karen participated in, violated anything in Scripture.  Please do not refer to other (that Karen did not participate in) “Celtic Christian Worship” services that you may have read about, seen or heard about.  What one person/group may mean by “Celtic Worship” may be very different from another person/group.  So with the above guidelines, please tell me how the specific worship service(s) she participated in were quasi-heterodox.

10.  JD Hall objects to Karen Prior’s common ground approach, “I do object to “common ground” language. I have no common ground with people who kill babies and sell their body parts. I have no common ground with terrorists. I have no common ground with Nazis. The temple of God has no common ground with idols (2 Corinthians 6:16). The people of God have no common ground with the baby-sacrificing demon-god of Molech (Leviticus 18:21). I suppose that’s a genuine philosophical, theological agreement. I have no common ground with such people, even if that common ground is a red carpet.”

One of the things that Russell Moore likes about Karen is that “She models convictional kindness,” he said. “She doesn’t give any ground, but she also doesn’t see people who disagree with her as her enemy.”  This is in contrast to the approach that Pulpit and Pen takes above. Now which of the two approaches (Karen’s or Pulpit and Pen) will fare better in real-life, public engagement with unbelievers?

10.  Pulpit and Pen severely criticized Karen Prior for a statement (taken grossly out of context by the way) that read thus “gay marriage remains an act rooted in love.”  Let’s look at this in a larger context (context is king).

First, in the article that the above phrase appeared, Karen Prior made some sociological observations about Roe vs. Wade and then is drew some comparisons and possible future contrasts between Roe. vs. Wade and the SCOTUS decision on legalizing gay marriage.  It is in this context that Karen Prior stated, “Unlike abortion, gay marriage remains an act rooted in love. As Wesley Hill writes, even if we disagree with the expression of homosexuality, we can affirm the longing to be loved and belong. Yet, what abortion and same-sex marriage have in common is that they each attempt to deny the procreative nature of the sexual union. Each forms a deep crack in the mirror of nature that reflects the image of God.”

First, this statement “forms a deep crack in the mirror of nature that reflects the image of God” is hardly an affirmation of the gay lifestyle.  Second, Karen’s phrase “rooted in love” is her expressing that gay relationships are often rooted in the basic human need for intimacy, companionship, and love.  The orientation of fulfilling that desire with someone of the same-sex though is disordered.  I believe that both Pulpit and Pen, myself and Karen Prior could all agree that same-sex sexual engagement does not proceed from a “genuine affective and sexual complementarity”. That statement though is not in opposition or mutually exclusive to the statement that gay marriage can be rooted in an intrinsically disordered expression of love.

By the way, regarding Wesley Hill who has been mentioned a few times in this article, John Piper has quoted him more than once – https://twitter.com/johnpiper/status/435505752107933696 and here https://www.facebook.com/JohnPiper/posts/470326706430755

11.  I want to challenge Pulpit and Pen on their interpretation and application of I Corinthians 5:11 (Paul admonition to not associate or even eat with a local church member who is living in gross sin).  As Christians, Scripture is for us the Noma Normans non Normata (the “un-normed norm normer” or “the norm of norms that is not normed”).  This being the case, both Pulpit and Pen’s propositions as well as mine are only as good as they are rooted in Scripture.  I think a good healthy dialogue on I Corinthians 5:11 needs to take place.

To give a quick preview of my position, I believe that all of Paul’s directions on “church discipline” relate directly to people who the church has jurisdiction over (I Corinthians 5:12, “What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?”).  There are other markers in the chapter that support this such as in verse 2, “put out of your fellowship [that was a literal, geographical, local church community] the man who has been doing this”; verse 4, “So when you are assembled” [pretty obvious this is a local church].

If a person who fell under the sins listed by Paul in I Corinthians 5 removed themselves from a body of orthodox believers but still claims to be a “Christian”, I don’t think that I Corinthians 5 would apply to them the way it would for someone who was still attending a body of orthodox believers.

It is equally important to remember that Paul didn’t live in a culture or society where the large majority of everyone claimed to be a “Christian”.  Virtually anyone that claimed to be a Christian was fellowshiping with a local body of orthodox believers.

Cultural understanding and presuppositions are very important for understanding and properly applying Paul’s directives.  For instance, what eating together meant for the Corinthian believers in their culture does not necessarily equate to what eating together means for our culture.  Another example of the importance of understanding culture isII John 10,11 which states, “If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him stakes part in his wicked works.”  If JD were to apply this without doing the proper historical context interpretive research of what “greeting someone” meant, he would have to hold to the belief that it was wrong for him to even say “Hello” to the debater he mentioned in his own article, Justin Lee.

How do we avoid making unwarranted “extended applications” and improper contextualizations of Biblical commands? Below are several principles (Many of them excerpts taken from Introduction into Biblical Interpretation by Craig Blomberg, Robert L. Hubbard, Jr., and William W. Klein) that will help in this area:

One should be able to distinguish between principle and specific application. It is possible for a New Testament writer to support a relative application by an absolute principle and in so doing not make that application absolute.

Is the particular cultural form expressed in the biblical text present today, and if so does it have the same significance as it did then? Whenever we share comparable particulars (i.e., similar specific life situations), with the first-century setting, God’s Word to us is the same as His Word to them.

Does the text present a broad theological or moral principle or does it give a specific manifestation of such a principle, which Scripture elsewhere embodies in one or more different forms?

Does the larger context of the book in which the passage appears limit the application in any way or does it promote a more universal application?

Are cultural conditions mentioned in Scripture or assumed by its authors that make it inappropriate always to apply a given text in the same way?

Does the passage contain an explicit or implicit condition that limits its application?

12.  As an entry point into a future conversation on I Corinthians 5:11, I want to show where Pulpit and Pen’s current stated application of it is inconsistent. JD Hall gave several examples of how he believes he followed I Corinthians 5:11 in his latest article.  In his first example, he describes how he refused to literally eat at the same table with Justin Lee (a practicing gay who states he is a Christian) who was attending a debate on homosexuality that JD Hall was assisting in hosting.  Even though he did not literally eat with Justin Lee, he did state that “his goal was to show Justin as much hospitality as possible, we gave him a “body man” to get him anything he needed…I personally grabbed him water, paid for his meals, and asked over and again how we could make his stay enjoyable.” JD Hall still believes he followed I Corinthians 5:11 because “I left my food on the plate and watched Justin eat, while making conversation. I ate mine later.”  If I Corinthians 5 applies in the way that JD Hall seems to think then why did he not follow verse 13, “Drive out the evil man from your midst”?  The audience and context in I Corinthians 5:11 have not changed two verses later in I Corinthians 5:13.  How is paying “for his meals” and asking “over and again how we could make his stay enjoyable” equate with “driving him out”?

Paul earlier in verse 11 directs the Corinthians to “not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral …do not even eat with such people”.  If JD Hall was trying to follow this consistently and in the principle of what Paul was trying to say, then even sitting down with Justin and having a conversation with him while Justin was eating (even though JD was not technically eating), would certainly be violating the spirit of what Paul was trying to say.  JD Hall quotes Matthew Henry who said, “Christians are to avoid familiar converse with all who disgrace the Christian name. Alas, that there are many called Christians, whose conversation is more dangerous than that of heathens!”, yet JD Hall states that he made “conversation” with Justin Lee while he was eating.  How is this consistent?

JD Hall also stated that, “Those who are unashamedly unrepentant and don’t profess Christ are fair game. We eat with them and take them the Gospel. Those who already profess Jesus, on the other hand…different story.”  If JD is going to be consistent with his belief that literally anyone who says they are a Christian who is in sin he cannot associate with (in contrast to the more nuanced approach to I Corinthians 5:11 that I outlined at the beginning of this section), he has a huge problem.  According to the Pew Research Center at least 71% of all Americans state they are Christians.  So according to JD Hall’s current position he can only “associate” with 30% of all Americans.  Equally troubling is that statistically the most effective way of reaching people with the Gospel is through relationships. More specifically, friendship.  Friendship involves, conversation, listening, sharing in meals, etc. So if all Christians were to follow JD Hall’s application of I Corinthians 5:11 consistently, Christians would be limited to only effectively (having a friendship or even being able to say “Hello”) evangelizing 30% of the American population.

13.  JD Hall, “Now, here’s the thing. I’m well aware that many people (typically, we would call them “social progressives”) have a “Jesus” who they think would dress up to speak at an LGBT fundraiser and propaganda film-fest and grab his selfie stick and hug on some sodomites because, after all, he ate with sinners (while calling them to repentance). Then…they killed him. I don’t think Swallow Prior, from these pics, demonstrate she’s in danger of crucifixion. It seems that there’s not much calling to repentance going on. And frankly, yeah…those photos are atrocious, sad, compromising and telling.”

Ironically, it wasn’t the tax-collectors and prostitutes (that Jesus spent time with in their homes telling them about the kingdom of God) that plotted and then executed a plan to have Jesus killed.  Instead, it was the Pharisees that plotted and successfully executed a plan to murder Jesus.  So if we are going to use the analogy of Jesus, as JD Hall has tried to do, Karen Prior’s experience seems to be paralleling Jesus’ quite fine, namely, it’s not the “tax collectors” and “sexually immoral” that are accusing her, it’s people from her religious community that are.